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Brown set to ditch key economic rule as UK borrowing soars



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Published Date: 19 July 2008
GORDON Brown has been accused of gambling his reputation for economic prudence by plotting to ditch one of his key fiscal rules as the UK borrowing level reached a record high.
The Treasury is believed to be reviewing the Prime Minister's rule that restricts government borrowing to 40 per cent of national income to allow the borrowing of billions more.

Figures released yesterday showed that borrowing had already reach
ed 38.3 per cent of GDP, perilously close to breaching the rule.

The budget deficit, at £9.3 billion last month, was the worst-ever figure for June. Public-sector net borrowing for the first quarter of the financial year was £24.4 billion – the biggest quarterly figure since records began in 1946.

Opposition parties pounced on the speculation that the government would loosen its strict rules on debt just ahead of breaking them, claiming it showed that Labour had lost its grip on the economy.

George Osborne, the shadow chancellor, said Mr Brown now resembled an "alcoholic who has just given himself the keys to the drinks cabinet".

He added: "The Brown era of economics is over. He staked his credibility on the fiscal rules."

Vince Cable, the Lib Dems' treasury spokesman, said it was "humiliating" for the government to have to bend its rules.

With falling receipts from stamp duty because of the housing market downturn, the government will have little choice but to cut spending, raise taxes or increase borrowing.

The final measure would require it to breach its own sustainable investment rule, while the other two options would be deeply unpopular with voters.

Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, signall-ed that the rules were under review, but insisted no decisions had been made yet about relaxing them. He said it was right that, at a time when the world's economy was being hit by the credit crunch and high oil prices, borrowing should be allowed.

Mr Darling added: "What is crucial is you have rules to ensure public finances are sustainable in the medium term."

Mr Brown's official spokesman refused to comment on whether discussions had taken place in government about dropping the rule, but he pointed out that a number of modern economies had much greater levels of debt compared to Britain, including the United States (47 per cent), Germany (57 per cent) and the eurozone (55.9 per cent).

Meanwhile, fears over the economy deepened yesterday when Sir John Gieve, the outgoing deputy governor of the Bank of England, said the chance of the UK falling into recession had "increased" since May.

Sir John outlined an "uncomfortable" year of soaring inflation, slowing growth and rising unemployment. The bank expects rocketing fuel, food and commodity prices to see inflation remain "well above" 4 per cent for the rest of the year.

Think tank broke impartiality rules

A THINK tank accused of being too close to Gordon Brown broke the impartiality rules for charities, the Charity Commission has ruled.

It said the Smith Institute was "not always as sufficiently balanced and neutral as required under charity law".

It found no evidence that it had been used to drive Mr Brown's aspirations, but found a number of instances when its "balance and neutrality" had been "compromised".

Opposition politicians have long accused the think tank of being a front for Labour and Mr Brown.

But the watchdog said the institute had produced work for the public good, and that it had been "reasonable" for it to employ Ed Balls, Mr Brown's key ally, before he was elected to parliament.

The Prime Minister had not replied to the Charity Commission's letter for help with its inquiry.



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1

Rufus T. Firefly,

19/07/2008 00:16:09
It makes sense.

Radical measures are required during these unprecedented times.
2

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 19/07/2008 00:23:26
I hopes this helps to put to bed the ridiculous notion that Brown engineered great economic growth.

The period in which Brown was chancellor was a period of unparalled economic growth across the globe. A monkey could have been running the British economy during that period, indeed some would argue a monkey was running it.

The economy should be managed by professionals - not politicians
3

Iainbroch,

Moray 19/07/2008 01:14:05
Actually Broonie has been breaking his rules for years now.If we had an honest press and media then the BS would have been highlighted?

If the Bank Of England had actually been doing the job it was suppossed to do then things might not be in the mess they are now? It was nothing more than an illusion that it was operating independently of its master in Downing Street.

The government has been fiddling its statistics for so long and fiddles them even now that things are actually far worse than even the fiddled stats state!

But the Hootsman will continue to perpetuate the myths of the Golden Decade and the myth of the Iron Chancellor.
4

truthsleuth,

19/07/2008 01:31:05
For heavens sake Brown did not cause
oil price increase
food price increase
the USA sub prime crisis
the massive unjustifiable house price increase in uk. nor its current collapse.
the failure of Northern Rock
The collapse in de mutualised building society/banks

His failures were to cave into the first fuel price protest
to cave in to the second fuel price protest.
to support bio fuels
to fail to drive through road congestion charging at a national level.



5

Isonomia,

Lenzie 19/07/2008 01:36:58
"It makes sense.

Radical measures are required during these unprecedented times"

What utter nonsense. Anyone with an ounce of economic common sense could see that oil supplies were coming to an end, oil refining capacity was at a maximum, the UK economy was built on a mountain of personal debt, and the banks were massively over lending with mortguages over 5x salary.

This is an economic "crisis" of Gordon's own making and the last thing we want now is to increase government borrowing which is already a lot lot higher than the official figure if you count of the PFI schemes which ought to count as borrowing.

In fact this is the old "borrow-for-boom" policy of all socialists, except the trick Nulabour used was to get the public to do the borrowing for them.

So, technically, not only PFI, but private borrowing has been used as if it were government borrowing to boost the economy and now the pigeons are coming home to roost on Brown pyramid economic miracle!
6

TommyKaye,

UK 19/07/2008 02:15:40
Gordon's Imperfect Economic Storm Approaches


An economic shudder has just run down my spine. I just read THIS on the BBC website. In June public borrowing reached a massive £9.16 billion. That's £9.16 billion of Her Majesty's Pounds. It's also 24% more than Treasury forecasts. In the first quarter of this financial year, the government borrowed more than £24 billion. Annualise it, and the government will be borrowing close on £100 billion this year - a seventh of all government spending. No wonder Alistair Darling is seeking to rewrite his own rules. In case you think I am being over dramatic, government borrowing is at its highest since April 1946.

Inflation is set to rocket. Unemployment is increasing. The Balance of Trade is at its worst level ever. The PSBR is out of control. And this is all before the recession has really started to bite. Have I missed anything?

If this sort of financial management goes on, I dread to think what kind of financial situation the Conservatives may inherit in May 2010.
7

Mallory,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 02:47:56
The phrases, New Labour and Economic Competance were never more than a piece of spin lapped up and regurgitated by a celebrit obsessed UK meejah, itsef ignorant of the facts of economics.

Maybe it's time for 'tough on failure and the causes of failure' approach. One doubt's that the present Tory leadership, let alone wee Alex Salmond, has the determination or ability to address the issues.

8

Iainbroch,

Moray 19/07/2008 03:04:01
re9

His Party went along with GW to invade Iraq with the subsequent direct link to oil price increases! Iraqi production has never recovered!One instance of Broonie and Labour Party foreign policy failures.

The rest folows from that fatal decision?

He failed to institute house building programmes that would have eased price inflation in housing sector.His govt failed to do anything to control the buy to let sector that was largely reponsible for that house price inflation!

The govt must take some blame for NR as the FSA failed in its job on several counts.As did Broonies placemen at BoE.

Brit banks are up to thier greedy rapacious necks in it when it comes to US sub prime crises so they are not entirely blameless - another FSA and regulatory failure?

He took credit for the so called Golden Decade - a decade but that was fueled by cheap credit and he stood back and did nothing about escalating levels of personal debt.

Interest rates should have been far higher on average than they were but all the economic stats for past decade were a fraud!

As for caving into the fuel price protestors - dont make me laugh - he was still able to force through several tax increases on fuel.

Also an idiot would have been able to see that Bio fuels was not the answer either and that there were certain logical conclusions to providing tax breaks and other subsidies to that industry!

The Golden decade was nothing more than an illusion!Broonies decade is a litany of failures.

He did not cause it all those things that you list - he was equally culpable though and that you cant deny!
9

Pilrig.,

Livingston 19/07/2008 06:23:57
Broon & Darling - men oot of their depth.
10

cabrach loon,

inverness 19/07/2008 06:56:11
everyone else is told to economise and practice economic prudence cannot the gov understand the same, they have to fire all their parasites, useless quangos and overpaid goons who do nothing but create incomprehensible garbage, clear out the overstaffing and make the others work instead of cluttering up the nation with papermaking and collecting usleless info. get rid of spies behing cctv cameras for a start and put the bobbies back on the beat instead.
it seems bback to the 50s and national debt / well done economic genius brown!
11

steve 1511,

aberdeen 19/07/2008 07:09:07
a school primary class would get the same,or a better result as the labour party in managing the economy,every time it gets in power it leaves the country in massive debts,prudence broon,more like clown broon
12

Non!!,

East Britain 19/07/2008 07:19:54
I wonder where we go from here? How do we ever get out of this mess without precipitating something even worse? Do we even understand the extent of the mess we're in?

Very worrying and no solutions in sight.
13

LEAL,

19/07/2008 07:26:07
The UK,like the Labour Party, is heading towards financial meltdown.And make no mistake,Scotland will be expected to bear the brunt of recession,as it always does,while London is shielded.This is what happens when you are ruled from another country.Its time for Scotland to govern herself,and use the vast natural resources we have to make a better future for every Scot.We can find better ways to use our resources than propping up a country which still wants to have illegal wars,nuclear weapons etc etc.
14

Jimmy the Pie,

19/07/2008 07:49:38
Not much point having rules if you can't stick to them.

Comrade Broon's legacy.

1. Worst Chancellor in living memory
2. Worst Prime Minister in living memory
3. Last Scottish Prime Minister of UK ever.
4. Last New Labour Sleaze Prime Minister ever.
5. First Prime Minister to be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

What goes around, comes around.
15

sceptic,

19/07/2008 07:56:16
If only Brown had learned to drive! Caught doing 85mph on a motorway, his answer? make the limit 90mph.
16

Richardinho,

19/07/2008 08:00:34
Funny kind of rule-when you break it, you change it!
17

sceptic,

19/07/2008 08:03:44
To be fair I have to give Brown credit where it is due. He promised to abolish boom and bust and he has abolished boom.
18

sceptic,

19/07/2008 08:14:06
9 truthsleuth
Marvellous! world recession precipitated by oil price increasing by 250%. The green brigade answer, increase the tax on oil.
19

inkster,

19/07/2008 08:24:24
This is like a student marking his own papers, and stting his own pass mark.

20

Jimmy the Pie,

19/07/2008 08:27:48
New Labour Sleaze and Corruption have only themselves to blame.

Illegal war in Iraq.
£150 Billion wasted on Northern Rock.

Just a couple of things that the Sleaze party can look back on as the breaking of the party.
21

Mcsnagpile,

19/07/2008 08:36:18
What are you all saying?? Read yer books.

1900 continual depression from the 1800’s leading to the WW1. After the war Flu, Hunger strikes, Yarrow marches, we go off the gold standard; worse elsewhere in Europe, the rise of extremist politics; leads to WW2..
1950s-continued rationing, loss of heavy industry leading to mass unemployment.
1960’s loss of light industries remember Rootes, Linwood, Bathgate etc;devaluation of the pound, restriction on overseas currency.(pound in you pocket)(shoulder to the wheel, buckle your belts, nose to the grindstone),(poor man of Europe), strikes, Sugar and flour shortages, power outs etc—sorry the 60’s were not very swinging.
1970’s fuel crisis-return to rationing, market crash, strikes power outages, fire brigades, rubbish collection, miners, everybody out, winters of discontent, unacceptable face of capitalism, etc etc.
1980.s--the final cut,—shut down everything mines the lot including vast tracks of the UK turning them into areas of devastation,--we are to be a service economy—stock market crash, housing crash, negative equity.

2000’s end of the service economy. The only service industries that work is illegal.
Where do we go from here?? History shows it only gets worse.

The back of my head is awfy sair hitting all these stairs on the way down and relentlessly it continues.

Mr Brown is not good enough to take the wrap; in fact we could not have had a bigger mess if we had planned it.

To be fair many people have had increased (consumerism) prosperity over the years on the back of cheap hydrocarbons??
22

John S,

19/07/2008 08:45:05
Related or unrelated - shifting the baseline.
Efficiency savings of £10bn fail close scrutiny
Government claims to have made billions of pounds worth of savings on bureaucracy were called into question yesterday only hours after Alistair Darling said savings of £20bn had already been achieved.
The methodology used is complicated but some reductions were achieved by shifting the statistical baseline against which improvements were measured, said the report, entitled The Efficiency Programme: A Second Review of Progress.
The Department of Health was able to claim it had slimmed its workforce by an additional 450 people, and the Department of Work and Pensions to say it had made an extra 2060 job reductions, simply by using a starting date which was before the efficiency drive even began.
One "statistically unsound adjustment to a baseline" alone added £300m to reported efficiencies at the Department of Health, said the committee.
Herald October 11 2007-http://tinyurl.com/5medgc
23

The Tin Man,

19/07/2008 08:45:38
#27 Mcsnagpile

If you look at the economy in Iceland, Denmark, Portugal, and Ireland today, you will see that things could easily be worse.
24

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 19/07/2008 08:50:11
Let's create a precedent on these boards: let's be fair!

The economy is in a mess but Brown is responsible for only some of the downturn. Proof? Downturns are affecting most other countries, places where they have never heard (lucky them) of GB.

Brown inherited a budget surplus and low national debt, he hands on a deficit and a high national debt. But the rise of China, India, oil prices and global warming fears are beyond even oor Gordie.
25

inkster,

19/07/2008 08:55:34
Both he Conservative ad Unionist and the Labour parties created this mess.

I beg the people of Glasgow East to vote for change.
26

Doggin'it1707,

19/07/2008 09:09:37
Is this the union doggadend? Doggin' it baby.

The SNP are correct.
27

lulach mac gille coemgain,

19/07/2008 09:18:21
Who needs money ? Millions are living without it every day thanks too GORDON BROWN and thousands more will be joining them thanks too GORDON BROWN !
28

Jimmy the Pie,

19/07/2008 09:23:42
#30 Rulesbutnotrulers, Federation, not separation.

The rest of Europe aren't in as perilous a position as us.

They didn't pile into an illegal war, did they??

Did they all sell off their gold reserves at the bottom of the market, did they??

They didn't 'build' their economies on debt, did they?

They don't think they're world powers and spend billions on weapons, do they??

They don't have oil reserves to squander, do they??


Comrade Broon and his cadres are utter buffoons.
29

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 19/07/2008 09:47:48
Rules are only effective if they're abided by! This exposes Brown and Darling's handling of the economy as a thin tissue with no substance apart from credit of course to which they still seem to be absolutely addicted.

We have not hard one proposal yet of any weight which will reduce public spending which would then get us back within Labour's own self-imposed rules. This probably means that there is still a massive amount of unnecessary spending to cut beyond that. Forget ID cards and all the other fripperies - that stuff's in the bin!

The stock answer from Brown and Darling is that "it's the global economy stupid". No - there are so many things Brown could have done while Chancellor to safeguard our national financial position and he has consistently blown funds away like confetti, for what? What did we gain apart from the wasters in office?
30

livilion,

livingston 19/07/2008 09:49:43
30 Rulesbutnotrulers
In the interest of fairness the Guardian reported in February last year that Brown was breaking his own rules with creative accounting:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/feb/04/politics.money1
Quote
>>>Gordon Brown has hidden liabilities worth more than £500bn, and the true size of the public debt is up to 87 per cent of GDP, more than twice the Treasury's 'sustainable' limit, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

Using the government's calculations for the cost of public sector pensions, private finance initiative schemes, and Network Rail's debt, which the Treasury guarantees, the think-tank has reached a total figure of more than £1,100bn - twice what the Treasury admits to.


Vince Cable, the LibDem Treasury spokesman, said Brown had charged into billions of pounds' worth of PFI deals, with the aim of disguising the true level of government liabilities: 'What's happened is that the government has rushed into PFI deals in order to hide debt.'

...Under these arrangements, a private company builds a school, hospital or other public project in return for regular payments over a period of up to 30 years. The Treasury can then score this as day-to-day spending, instead of debt...

...As one of his self-imposed fiscal rules, Brown promises to keep government debt below a 'sustainable' limit, defined as 40 per cent of GDP - but adding in the pension liabilities takes the level to more than 75 per cent of GDP. The IFS recommends that Brown's successor consider redefining 'sustainable' to include provision for the pensions bill<<<
Unquote

Darling is left holding the sh!t end of the stick after our Gordy flogged off everything that wasn't screwed down while he was Chancellor, pensions, gold, students'debt etc to cover up the real financial picture.

Now we're hearing Jim Callaghan style rhetoric from 10&11 Downing Street about the need for wage demands to keep within official inflation figures, condemning the lowes
31

livilion,

livingston 19/07/2008 09:51:53
30 Rulesbutnotrulers

Now we're hearing Jim Callaghan style rhetoric from 10&11 Downing Street about the need for wage demands to keep within official inflation figures, condemning the lowest paid to disproportionate cuts in their living standards.

Remember what happened to Jim Callaghan!
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Itchy,

19/07/2008 10:04:33
"The Treasury is believed to be reviewing the Prime Minister's rule that restricts government borrowing to 40 per cent of national income to allow the borrowing of billions more."

These bozos are not to be trusted with our civil liberties and not to be trusted with our money. Watch for prices continuing to soar because this ignoramus does not know how inflation works.
34

George Mackay,

Coupar Angus 19/07/2008 10:11:13
The Mackays are having a family weekend at Auntie Jean's in Coupar Angus. Auntie Jean is 87. She is very fond of her sixteen cats. She heard on the radio that the government will have to borrow 57 billion pounds this year. She know that's nearly a billion each and she's very upset. She says she could never find a billion pounds from her pension from House of Fraser and she thinks she'll have to five her cats to SSPCA to be put down.
None of the family know what to do. Shona and Fiona are in tears for the old lady. Malcolm is looking for his claymore. Fergus has hit the bottle and AM2 is gibbering into his computer.
Any folk got any suggestions?
35

livilion,

livingston 19/07/2008 10:17:44
39 Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias,

You're not just whistling L'Internationale chum.

Since the 70s the UK Treasury has been winning the lottery every month c/o the North Sea oil and gas bonanza.

Other countries(like Norway?) might have used this money to build new schools and hospitals, given their old folk a living pension, repaired the country's transport infrastructure, put some away 'for a rainy day'.

The UK instead goes for 'bling'; superpower military adventures and hardware, flash developements for the Capital and credit up to the eyeballs.
Like some 70s pools winner 'spend, spend, spend' and nothing to show for it when it's gone.

Nearly forgot to mention the settling of old political scores with the unions and the removal of their industrial power base which had made Great Britain the Victorian superpower we are supposed to want to emulate.

The Union dividend?
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 10:29:39
This is beggars belief and just plain wrong - they are attempting to spend their way out of a hole ... again never looking to efficiencies to save money ALWAYS more, more, more ... This country is soooooo screwed ... well done Labour and your thick supporters first you killed common sense, then you killed our national identity, then you killed law and order, then you killed freedom, now finally you are killing our nation.

This government are so unspeakably incompetent and so rankly corrupt please let there not even be even the filthiest rat under the slimiest stone who will vote for them.

Anyhoo I'm going to leave this excuse of tax ridden, PC, immigrant overun nation behind for a while. I am sick to the back teeth of be taxed to beggery and back only to see it squandered on fat council staff and ridiculous projects.

This nation is going to hit unimaginable hard times unless the voters get a grip and stop successive governments from pandering to litigious nyaffs, minority groups and their own ego's. Get back to providing the basic services a government should.

There needs to be a massive shift back to commonsense values and bedamned to the Liberal hippy whingers! They are in part responsible for the decline of society.

Restore power to parents
Restore discipline to schools
Restore corp and cap punishment
Review 'overcrowding' guidelines in jail - pack em'in - if they riot so be it !
Castrate litigation law lawyers
Stop immigration/assylum until our infrastructure has caught up with the current populations needs - then restart but only let in people who BENEFIT
Sack 5 million government 'workers' tell them to 'swivel' for their pensions - The amount Labour have taken on in the last 10 years !
Get rid of Quangos
Cap council spending and restrict how much they can raise from tax.
Get rid of all speed camera's on main roads and put them where they SHOULD be - around schools and pedestrian crossings.
Lower taxes for all.
Get the unemployed off t
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Jock ex 45Cdo RM,

THORNHILL 19/07/2008 10:34:04
Gerri Peev ??????????????/
39

Jay Kay,

19/07/2008 10:34:20
Hey I dont have a mortguage and I own nothing, I have NO loans and lots of savings, in todays society I am a rare animal indeed, yet this f*cking b*stard of a clown called Broon thinks he can make me pay for his f*cking mistakes such as the Northern Rock, well mr broon I say no f*cking thanks, I am not shelling out for your bloody mistakes and mismanagement of this once great country, you are a liar and a theif having already helped yourself to billions from peoples pensions, that was their money not yours, you have absolutly no f*cking right what so ever to do that but hey it didnt stop you did it.

I am so fed up with your inability to do anything right, how the hell you are still in at number ten in a complete mystery to me and to many people in this country, but yet you are still under the delusion that people will vote for your party in the Glasgow East bi-election even after the scandal surrounding the former candidate Ryan quickly replaced buy that hideous hag of a woman, I never thought there could be anyone more unattractive than Thatcher in polititics but hey you provved me wrong on that one.

So I think Im going to lift all my money and stick it in the Caymens where you cant get your greedy little mits on it.

You are a total b*stard of a man I just hope I don't run in to at the Rovers because I'm damned sure I would get arrested on the spot for assault.
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Cuthulan,

approx.12,000miles from Earth's Core 19/07/2008 10:34:25
So now we know the UK is a non-viable independant state ,when are the economic unionists going to call for Westminster to be disbanded and to give our soverignty to a union with Brussels and become the BIGGEST economic force on the planet!?We have been through the BOOM times and look how much we have managed to put away . NOTHING!!Our Norwegian neighbours are sitting on nearly half a TRILLION rainy day OIL fund !
Brown sold our GOLD , at rock bottom prices ,so we cannot benefit from the rise in gold prices.
THe UK banks have a "special relationship" with the USA.
Unfortunately the USA is $53 TRILLION in debt
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/17/MN8Q11OT2M.DTL&tsp=1
That's $440,000 per taxpayer and with the openning of the Irainian Oil Bourse which primeraly sells oil in EURO's, the petrodollars days are over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_oil_bourse
The dollar will continue to fall and the British economy with it. THis is the REAL reason for sanctions against Iran , but do not expect your government to tell you! They will keep lying about non-existant WMD's ,just like Iraq ,which was the first country to sell OIL in EUROS ,coincidence?!?!
http://www.un.org/depts/oip/background/oilexports.html
The simple FACT is Scotland makes money ,the UK does NOT!!!.UK lost 34 BILLION in 2006. We have been through the BOOM times ,but us Scots my not have noticed that.Here come the hard times and the BEST and ONLY way for Scotland to survive this is to be independant!!
41

Buckfastleigh,

Brown all over 19/07/2008 10:39:59
Who was it that invented those five tests for entry into the Euro when he was Chancellor? Did we ever meet his ill conceived tests? His choice was not to join; of course not ..it would not have been prudent (he claimed). In a single economy not being in the single currency is a risky position to have taken.

Outside the Euro Dear Mr Brown (or it it mate?) since last August we have seen a 20% devaluation of the pound against the Euro. We await a further adjustment and meanwhile all we import, food, oil, gas adds to the internal inflation. On 3,8% mate you ain't seen the full impact on our pockets yet. A friend who lives in Dublin says that his UK pension is worth 1/4 less than last year and I have friends retired in Spain ...same story.

The man is incompetent and deserves to lose the Glasgow East by-election. A pity it wont do much to deal with the underlining problem he has caused.

When is the decision to join the Euro to be taken then?

Broon all over and aye the noo found oot.
42

Doggin'it1707,

19/07/2008 10:48:52
Haha, I still have my doggin', they can't take that away from me.

The SNP are correct.
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livilion,

livingston 19/07/2008 11:09:22

At least we can look forward to Maggie Curran going to Westminster next week to let the Chancellor know how to sort out his books and tap him for some spare to help out Shettleston and Easterhouse.

She has to go because apparently as being one of those poor Eastenders since 1997 she could't afford a phone that works or she's been too busy with the weans and hoosekeeping that hasn't ever had time to use a phone to speak to her pals in Downing Street.

I'm wondering: even if Magret wins Glasgow East AND becomes the leader of Holyrood's Labour MSPs, will anyone in Westminster still take a blind bit of notice of some additional Labour lobby fodder?
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 19/07/2008 11:21:27
Since an Independant Scotland would have a large surplus and is less likely to suffer in the housing price collapse we should leave those lazy southern scroungers to freeze in the dark.
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subrosa,

19/07/2008 13:01:12
Headline - about a silly reporter, taking up very valuable and perhaps life saving time, on her jaunt to Afgahnistan.

I wouldn't be bragging about my stupidity and also the cost of her medical assistance to military personnel. Perhaps the Scotsman think it's kind of smart telling us about the conditions in Afgahnistan? May I say most of us are aware of it and we don't need some silly lassie to be out there to remind us.
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subrosa,

19/07/2008 13:02:07
'm wondering: even if Magret wins Glasgow East AND becomes the leader of Holyrood's Labour MSPs, will anyone in Westminster still take a blind bit of notice of some additional Labour lobby fodder?

NO
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Red Etin,

19/07/2008 13:27:22
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Buckfastleigh,

somewhere else in preference but still in the EU 19/07/2008 13:47:58
This story has got to take the bisquit. The First Lord of the Treasury knew what Gordon was like as his comments in presumably reasonably accurate autobriographical detail indicated a most peculiar relationship between Blair and Broon. Now we can really see for ourselves what we have in that post. I'm off...by and bye.
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JCA REID,

Annan 19/07/2008 14:14:43
Typical Brown - his ersatz economic policies have screwed things up big time for folk & what does he do?--- like the good Soviet/Nazi politico he is, he moves the goal posts yet again to try & give a favourable slant on the mess he has created!
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19/07/2008 14:20:40
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Griffe,

19/07/2008 14:37:15
Brown is desparate and desparate men come unstable and unpredictable. What next?
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nolimits,

BC 19/07/2008 14:48:18
Its hard to imagine that the financial chief of a nation does not understand the first rule of managing money: Spend not what you don't have. Reminds me of the old Stompin' Tom Connors song line....Theres another sale on somethin', we'll buy it while its hot, and save a lot of money, spendin' money we don't got"
55

Doggin'it1707,

19/07/2008 15:29:47
Can you dog it, yes you can!!

The SNP are right about the GERS report and independence.

Liebore sleaze and corruption party Union is dead North British branch are wrong. They are illegal warmungo-ers. Haha
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Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 19/07/2008 15:47:14
Comment on the previous article re Emma Cowling succumbing to heat stroke in Afghanistanhas has been suspended. What a waste of scarce Military medical facilities however excellently they performed in catering for a totally unfit journalist. We should get our priorities right and keep such people away from the front line. If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen then keep away.
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BK,

Cyberspace 19/07/2008 17:28:04
#59 etc.
Why was a silly bimbette allowed out to Afghanistan in the first place? I'm sure the army doctors have better things to do, and what about her carbon footprint getting there?
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Jimmy the Pie,

19/07/2008 17:28:08
Comrade Broon reminds me a lot of Comrade Erich Honecker, former East German, still refusing to give up as the Berlin Wall is being torn down.

Utterly deluded!!!
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Scottish 'N British,

19/07/2008 17:30:30
58Yup, you're right.

Last year, the SNP claimed the GERS report was a "dodgy dossier".

This year, the SNP claim it is accurate.

Could this be because this time round it contains some favourable news for them?
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Sanny,

Portugal 19/07/2008 17:56:58
62 Scottish 'N British
If you take the trouble to read Aslen’s “The Great Deception” you will begin to understand why the SNP claim was correct. Following Nial Aslen’s brilliant work the treasury were FORCED to change their methodology improving the accuracy and source of their figures. Hence the “good news” your refer to.

Personally, I am not yet convinced that the latest GERS is a true reflection of Scotland’s finances and I await Nial Aslen’s evaluation of the treasuries latest offering. Incidentally, Nial also evaluated a previous GERS report and his findings were published under the title of “The Great Lie”. Both these reports clearly demonstrate the manipulation and downright lying were the norm of the treasury.
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brownlie,

19/07/2008 18:01:40
62 Scottish

How dare the SNP mention a "dodgy dossier" in any connection with the government. We have drawn a line under that and moved on and the past is in the past. Onward and upward is our new slogan - not embarassing references to past duplicities.
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Sanny,

Portugal 19/07/2008 18:04:02
57 nolimits,BC
I prefer Dickens Micawber when he says “ Income 20 shillings: Expenditure 19 shilling and 6 pence; Result Happiness! – Income 20 shillings: Expenditure 20 shillings and 6 pence; Result Misery!!

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Rod5577,

19/07/2008 18:12:15
64 brownlie


You are the most boring poster on this site. No wonder the Labour party are struggling if you are typical of their supporters.
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brownlie,

19/07/2008 18:22:22
66 Rod5577

Yes, I could not agree with you more. Thank you for being so perceptive.

Co-incidentally, some-one posted a very similar message to me yesterday so I would get quite paranoid - if I could only spell it!

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Jimmy the Pie,

19/07/2008 18:37:42
How's Comrade Lard Foolkes quest into finding out our Prime Minister, Alex Salmond's carbon footprint??

Has he managed to drag himself away from the trough???

Will that be the main story for Glenn Campbell tomorrow??
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 19/07/2008 20:09:58
Any truth in the rumour that Broon is bankrolling a Hollywood movie about himself and Northern Rock?

I heard it was to be called Saving Private Firm.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 19/07/2008 20:17:47
Further poll blow for Labour

57 minutes ago

Gordon Brown's Labour Party is trailing the Conservatives by more than 20 points nationally, according to an opinion poll released ahead of Thursday's Glasgow East by-election.

The ComRes survey for the Independent on Sunday put the Tories on 45% - up one point from a similar poll last month - and Labour on 24% (down two). Liberal Democrats were down a point on 16%.

Labour's 24% tally is the lowest recorded by ComRes since it started polling for the paper in 2004, and only marginally higher than the worst ratings for the party found by any pollster in recent years.
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Publius,

Girvan 19/07/2008 20:19:02
From today's online Telegraph:

"More poll gloom for Labour tomorrow with a ComRes survey for the Independent on Sunday putting the party on a "record low" (yes, another one) of 24 per cent. The Conservatives are 21 points ahead on 45 per cent and the Lib Dems are still languishing on 16 per cent.
Labour now seems locked into a spiral of gloom with 68 per cent agreeing with the statement that the party would lose the next election "regardless of who leads it".
No point in ditching Gordon Brown then, comrades. "You're dooooomed," as Dad's Army's Private Fraser would put it."
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Publius,

Girvan 19/07/2008 20:21:00
#71 Vivas

You beat me to the draw!

It will be interesting to see the details of this poll - escpecially the Scottish sample.
Publius
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livilion,

livingston 19/07/2008 20:35:12
62 Scottish 'N British
You wouldn't be trying to defend the figures from GERS under previous Holyrood administrations?

Previously with no fear of ever losing power the Labour party could print fairytales knowing there would never be any chance of discovery. eg income from 'Extra Regio Territories' left out altogether, misrepresentation of liabilites for Trident, English prisons, etc to name but a few crackers.

Today it would be a brave or incredibly foolish civil servant who would put his name to doctored govt figures.
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livilion,

livingston 19/07/2008 20:39:06
72 Publius,Girvan
Last time I recall the government of the day linking out of control inflation to public sector wage increases was during the dark days of Jim Callaghan's Winter of Discontent, and I at least remember what came next.
Deja Vu?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 19/07/2008 21:31:20
livilion, would that be the same Callaghan who used Scotland's oil as the collateral for a loan from the IMF? The same Callaghan who took over the sinking ship from the Prime Minister who (and I have this from people who worked for the Home Offoce) was asked to resign and get to write his memoirs or else......?

Blair, Wilson. Only difference is that Blair didn't smoke a pipe.
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truthsleuth,

20/07/2008 00:15:32
Very few 'RULES' remain unaltered. Even those developed by the scientific experts of the recent past are 'modified' changed.
Once upon a time the age of majority was 21 who knows what it is today.
Rules that cannot be changed do not exist.
Societies that are to rigid and do not nodify their rules to meet changing circumstances soon wither and die.

Gordon Brown may be changing the rules for the wrong reason (that is YOU do not agree with his reason) but he would be a fool not to do so.

Be honest (some hope) most of those who criticise his change of rules are strong supporters of opposing political parties - go on admit it or have you not got the guts to do so.

PS I do not like Gordon Brown (or his party) but he is much better than the alternatives who strike me as having the stature of little boys smirking/boasting over some secret they are keeping to themselves.
The joy I would have if Glasgow East blows up in their faces.
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John Cameron,

Broughty Ferry 20/07/2008 20:48:12
Why should anyone be surprised? From the moment he claimed to have conquered "boom and bust" it was clear that the Enron Chancellor was delusional. He has hidden public liabilities off balance sheet, spent recklessly and borrowed irresponsibly. History should have warned that in the end all Labour governments wreck the economy.

 

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