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Inside Holyrood: Lib Dems go down the unpredictable route



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Published Date: 07 July 2008
THERE are many ways to choose a party leader and the Liberal Democrats have the most democratic, but most unpredictable, of all.
The party which lost Nicol Stephen as its leader last week will use a one-member, one-vote approach to replace him, with each of its activists given the chance to decide who will take over.

But the Liberal Democrats also use a single transferable
vote (STV) – one-member, many-votes, one Lib Dem source described it as yesterday.

If the decision was just made by the party's MSPs, Tavish Scott would be the leader already.

But Lib Dem grass-roots members are a curious bunch. In the 2005 leadership election, Mike Rumbles, a maverick who was critical of his party's coalition with Labour, received 23.4 per cent of the vote, far more than analysts predicted.

If Mr Rumbles can secure 30 per cent or even 40 per cent of the vote this time, then he is in with a chance of winning, particularly as there are likely to be three or four leadership candidates.

The STV system means that no one candidate can assume the leadership, even if he or she has a clear lead, after only one round of voting.

There may be two candidates who polarise the electorate and another who doesn't, so it goes down to who gets knocked out first and where the second choices of that candidate are distributed, and so on until the required number of votes is accumulated.

However, here is another interesting aspect to this election: Mr Rumbles has made it clear he is amenable to a change in the party's policy on opposing an independence referendum, if that's what the party wants.

If Mr Rumbles was to become the party leader, and if the party changed tack and decided to support a referendum on independence, it would change the dynamics of the Scottish Parliament completely.

At the moment, Alex Salmond is proposing a referendum in 2010 but without any real hope of getting the policy through the parliament.

If, however, the Lib Dems changed position and supported a referendum, then the SNP would have enough votes to get it through Holyrood and then call a referendum.

So it is probably a sobering thought for Liberal Democrat activists that they may not just have the future of their party in their hands when their leadership voting papers drop through their letterboxes over the next few weeks; they may also have Scotland's future under their control too.



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  • Last Updated: 06 July 2008 11:30 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Liberal Democrats
 
1

ThomasP,

07/07/2008 00:12:11
"If Mr Rumbles was to become the party leader, and if the party changed tack and decided to support a referendum on independence, it would change the dynamics of the Scottish Parliament completely."

The Lib Dems have finally realised that their own party is irrelevent to the Scottish Government. Now they have a chance to change that and support the Scottish referendum.
2

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07/07/2008 00:33:02
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3

Conan the Librarian™,

07/07/2008 00:34:25
"At the moment, Alex Salmond is proposing a referendum in 2010 but without any real hope of getting the policy through the parliament."

Aye Right, Hamish.
4

Conan the Librarian™,

07/07/2008 00:35:05
2
Lets get ready to Rumbles...
5

Dinglebert Slaptiback,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 01:35:25
For goodness' sake. STV is simple enough but even Macdonnell misses the point when he says: "The STV system means that no one candidate can assume the leadership, even if he or she has a clear lead, after only one round of voting".

Oh yes they can. If they receive more than half the votes, then it's over and they've won.
6

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 07/07/2008 08:25:56
"At the moment, Alex Salmond is proposing a referendum in 2010 but without any real hope of getting the policy through the parliament."

Do you know something about Labour's stated position on the referendum vote that we don't, Hamish?
7

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 07/07/2008 09:33:07
Why do you think we have the word democrat in our party name. Its a real pity a few other parties wouldn't trust thier grass root supporters. Whilst the popular media view of us at present would suggest we are in some kind of doldrum let me assure you we are still alive and prepared to kick come the next election, just you wait and see, both north and south of the border.
8

Alan B,

07/07/2008 09:44:51
Rumbles was far better than Stephen during the last leadership campaign from the televised interviews. Why they chose Stephen i will never know.

From statements so far from Rumbles he does seem that he would give the lib dems some of their credibility back.

His apparent support for fiscal autonomy and transfer of powers to the scottish parliament like social security would give the lib dems a credible basis for transforming scotland and sorting out the weaknesses of the scottish parliament. The lib dems were so wishy washy under Stephen that they lost their cutting edge policies that can make the lib dems look distinct.

A move to a strong scottish parliament controlling its own taxation would be an ideal first step and then allow a proper debate on the merits of independence after that.



9

MisterN,

Scotland 07/07/2008 09:46:06
7

"Why do you think we have the word democrat in our party name."

We dont know care to tell us?
Is it because you ditched your manifesto commitments in order to share power with Labour?
10

Alan B,

07/07/2008 09:46:54
#Liberal for life

"Why do you think we have the word democrat in our party name"

Many people were wondering the same thing. Unfortunately the party has lost its democractic credentials under Stephen.
11

Alan B,

07/07/2008 09:47:35
#MisterN

u just beat me to it :)
12

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 07/07/2008 09:48:11
#4 : Lets get ready to Rumbles...

'Wot, another rumble in the jungle?
13

Queen D,

Glasgow 07/07/2008 11:14:56
I would prefer Mr Rumbles to Mr Scott.
The Viking gives me hives!

 

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